cofty: "Lots of us here were good and very experienced at pubic speaking. Its a trap. It strokes your ego and keeps you from being objective about things that you are busy teaching others."
Very pithily said.
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Planning exit, alternative venues to preach?
by Goodstein inbackground:.
i've come to the conclusion that many doctrines of the wts are unscriptural after many years of privately disagreeing with some of them but feeling that the society was "mostly right" and still being used by jehovah.
this turning point has happened in the last year or so.
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How Can I Kindly Kick Weak And Unproductive Publishers Out Of My Kingdom Hall?
by AuntConnie inunproductive kingdom proclaimers won't leave my kingdom hall, how do i rid our hall of these vultures or turkeys?.
"you can't fly like the eagles if you hang out with turkeys".
after visiting your site, i decided to allow one of the spiritual weak individuals into my car group, it was not easy but you have made valid points i find very self condemning.
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C'mon folks, let's cut Aunt Connie a break here.
She did at least ask how she could KINDLY kick out the weak and unproductive publishers.
That's a little bit of progress.
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Clapping at the meetings and assembly
by NewYork44M ini had a random thought this morning about clapping.
growing up in the wt culture i learned the proper protocol for clapping.
before the assembly speaker gave his talk, but not after.
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*Feeling like a fool today, so I'll just rush in here.*
BOTR said: "This is interestiing b/c clapping only happens in Episcopal churches when they make announcements"
My interpretation of BOTR's comment:
BOTR has been to Episcopal churches. (Probably many times.) Based on her lengthy experience with the Episcopal Church, they only clap for announcements.
My interpretation of what ShirleyW heard:
The only church, aside from the JWs, that has clapping is the Episcopal Church.
*stepping out now*
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Congo Merger Elder Meeting Flashback: SUPER True-Believer Cong. Secretary
by Open mind inthis thead is a little bit long and it's not earth-shaking.
it just gives a glimpse into the inner-workings of elder meetings.. .
several years ago i was serving as an elder and the c.o.
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jookbeard: "The Big Match was always broadcast then and I loved this show as it showed the football highlights of the past Saturday"
I've only recently started to watch a little bit of the game that the rest of the planet knows as football. As a newcomer, watching "highlights" is absolutely the best. I'm sure I'll appreciate the subtleties of the game as time goes on. Too bad you were denied that.
flipper: "! Ah- Sweet is the Freedom !
"Indeed.
mamochan: "There was no other cong. in the hall, we could have had the meetings any time, but the elders were stuck to those times."
Yeah, unless there's some outside pressure, meeting times never change.
minimus: "I was asked to pray to get the meeting back under control."
Do you remember the topic that got the crazies so worked up?
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Greetings
by Monsieur ini visit this site often for various reasons, above all to see the opinions of those in regards to their present state in life in relation to past or present tendencies in thinking (religious, morals, etc).. i had not found anything constructive or worthy of adding to this conversation but for one reason or another here i am doing so now.
i am presently an active jw member.
i believe that our faith provides a haven or parameters from which members can significantly obtain structure and order in many different ways.
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Welcome to JWN Monsieur!
Flipper said: "Don't think too much about God or the meaning of life or your head will explode."
(One of the wisest things I think I've ever seen come out of the Flipster's fingers.)
Our lives are short. Make the best you can of it and hope that if there is a God, it/she/he isn't a jerk. (I donned my "tasteful" cap in choosing my words.)
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Weird "new world" artwork from the 2013 calendar
by cedars inmy mother-in-law has a strange obsession with calendars, and orders the society's calendar each year.
this year's calendar is especially weird.
it features images depicting future events - in particular, the society's vision of the new world order.. i've taken the opportunity to scan some of the images for you all to check out.. please note - there are captions for each of the images, but i don't have the english language version of the calendar so i'd rather just quote the scripture used so as not to reveal which country i'm in.. .
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Snickering at snooker.
Good one.
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How Long has it Been since you Last Attended Meetings and What Caused...
by flipper in..... you to stop attending ?
injustices ?
disagree with the teachings ?
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Memorial 2012.
We will just be "Easter" JWs from now on.
My trigger moment for really plunging in to researching JWs was giving a Service Meeting talk hammering home the importance of shunning DFed relatives. In the talk I told the entire congregation that my family had 100% shunned my DFed older brother for 20 years. If we can do it so can you!
After the talk, a sister whose 20-something daughter had just been DFed, came up to me with tears in her eyes telling me what a great job I had done and that she was REALLY going to try to apply the direction from The Slave from here on out. Lots of others also gave me strong commendation as well. I really poured my heart into that talk.
Getting ready for bed that night, I looked at myself in the mirror and REALLY didn't like what I saw. The shred of non-cult humanity that remained inside me won out.
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Clapping at the meetings and assembly
by NewYork44M ini had a random thought this morning about clapping.
growing up in the wt culture i learned the proper protocol for clapping.
before the assembly speaker gave his talk, but not after.
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Actual experience: The Clapper Talk. (Last talk of the District Convention.) In recent years it appears to have gone the way of the DoDo. It was always full of JW Global growth statistics and cheesy "experiences". For lack of anything better to do, my brothers and I would actually keep a tally of how many times there was applause during The Clapper Talk (tm). Usually it was at least 15-20 times.
Another bored, Distriction Convention past-time: Try to be the first or the very last person to clap in the whole audience.
My personal Fantasy: As a non-believing observer, wait for a meeting where someone is announced as DFed or reproved, start a slow clap, stand up and keep up the applause while walking all the way out of the KH. Will never happen since we only go to Memorials now.
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One experience in our old Kingdom Hall that still HAUNTS me
by Newly Enlightened inthe following is a true experience and my daughter gojira101 will verify that it happened to her.
an experience from our family's past that still haunts me and started my questioning whether this is the true organization of god or not.. my daughter, who has always been a good kid, never gave us any problems [she's an adult now] started regular pioneering.
within a few weeks of her starting, she fell on a steep hill and tore open her knee and had to have several stitches.
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Welcome to JWN Newly Enlightened & Gojira!
That story sounds like at least the elder giving the talk, if not the entire BOE, really had it in for you. As hard as it was at the time, in the big scheme of things they actually did you an unwitting favor since it helped you finally exit the Borg. (Still a very unloving thing to do.)
We had a Circuit Overseer that was a complete "Old School" hard a$$. He'd berate parents and little kids that were being allowed to doze during his snoozy talks. He tried to impose a ban on denim, etc.
His hard-core approach was helpful in waking up my wife and children. Thank you very much Brother Jack Ass!
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Congo Merger Elder Meeting Flashback: SUPER True-Believer Cong. Secretary
by Open mind inthis thead is a little bit long and it's not earth-shaking.
it just gives a glimpse into the inner-workings of elder meetings.. .
several years ago i was serving as an elder and the c.o.
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zeb: "There was no debate at all. just a vote."
When it came down to the congregation, that's how we did it too. We let everyone know the two possible time slots that the "spirit-appointed" elders had narrowed it down to and that one week later a vote would be taken.
Alan Miller aka OTWO: (Just finished reading the last few chapters of your book, BTW.) "Why not stop and pray?"
Well, we certainly could have. In fact, I half-way expected Starry Eyes to possibly suggest it. We had already been meeting for two hours and of course, the meeting was opened with a long-winded prayer by one of the two likely future P.O.s (COBE) who was trying to show how spiritual he was. Some of the other issues we had been discussing were even MORE fractious and we hadn't stopped for prayer then, so why bother now. Let's just hear the arguments, make a decision and hopefully get home before midnight.
In over ten years serving as an elder, I can only remember one occasion where the body stopped in the middle of an elder's meeting and prayed for guidance, wisdom, peace, unity, etc. All the other prayers were at the traditional times.
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